Tuesday, April 10, 2007

Illegal Alien Rapes An 11-Year-Old Girl

But, hell Washington. Don't actually try to get serious about the border problems. I mean, it's not like it's your job to protect us or anything. No. Your job is to talk and bluster(same thing I know), give yourselves pay raises, attack the other side and waste our money on things like "fact finding missions". To actually get off your rich asses and do something that's not for political or personal gain? That's not why you're there. That's not why we elected you.
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6 comments:

Za said...

Interesting. Now are you saying that they need to crack down on illegal immigrants because they rape people or is it that they need to crack down on rapists generally?

I'm having difficulty untangling the argument here.

Indian Chris said...

The argument is that if the government really cared about the problem at the borders, this little girl would never have been raped.

Za said...

You sure about that? When did this guy cross the border? And can the government be 100% effective on the border anyway? Even further - not all rapists come from Mexico, so how do you know she wouldn't have been molested by a home-grown rapist?

I'm very curious as to how you can predict what would and would not have happened. It's possible that she might not have been raped. It's possible she might still have been raped.

I'm very curious as to why you put this down to border security, and not to police effectiveness. Regardless of whether this guy crossed the border or not, if effective child-protection systems were in place this could have been prevented. There's more than one angle to take on it.

Indian Chris said...

1. What does it matter when he crossed the border?

2. I don't know about 100%, but erect a better fence, post more border agents and enact laws that punish companies for hiring illegals and I'm pretty sure it'll get better.

3. not all rapists come from Mexico, so how do you know she wouldn't have been molested by a home-grown rapist?
Are you serious? That's quite possibly the most inane argument I've ever heard.

4. Why do I put this down to border security? Damn, man. It's not that hard to figure out why. He crossed the border illegally. That's how. The police don't know he's here. And even if they did most times they're not allowed to do anything because, for some stupid reason, local law enforcement isn't allowed to enforce federal immigration laws.

5. if effective child-protection systems were in place this could have been prevented
Such as? Because, unless we're living in a world like that in Minority Report, how could this have been prevented?

Once again your view of the world is flawed.

RudeboyMurphy said...

Chris, your article gives the impression that you believe that improved border protection is a means for effective sexual assault prevention.
Regardless of the immigration status of offender in question (I read a claim that the victim was also in the country illegally), it is safe to say that 'illegal immigration' isn't the cause of sexual assault. This is evident in that the overwhelming major of sexual offenders are native to the area in which they offend (with the exception of those who holiday in Thailand to abuse children).

It's clear, Chris, that you don't like people coming from other countries, who don't have their paperwork in order, but an isolated sexual assault isn't a strong argument for improving border security.

Za said...

1. What does it matter when he crossed the border?
It matters because if he crossed the border a decade ago, policy put in this century wouldn't catch him.

2. I don't know about 100%, but erect a better fence, post more border agents and enact laws that punish companies for hiring illegals and I'm pretty sure it'll get better.
Or you could just improve your police and hey! You could accept them and not have to worry about crime.

Are you serious? That's quite possibly the most inane argument I've ever heard.
Yes, I'm serious. You're blaming the politicians for her rape, when it could have been anyone regardless of country of origin. The problem there isn't Mexicans, it's rapists and the US police's inability to protect people against them.

4. Why do I put this down to border security? Damn, man. It's not that hard to figure out why. He crossed the border illegally. That's how. The police don't know he's here. And even if they did most times they're not allowed to do anything because, for some stupid reason, local law enforcement isn't allowed to enforce federal immigration laws.
So the police have to know he's from Mexico before they can protect people from him? Performing criminal acts like theft or, God forbid, rape shouldn't be enough for them to act?

Such as? Because, unless we're living in a world like that in Minority Report, how could this have been prevented?
Such as Neighbourhood Watch systems. Such as better information services. Such as increased accessability to the police.
Most rapes are not "grab a person off the street, screw and release". Most rapes have a build-up period prior to the event.

So don't talk to me about flawed world views, since you won't even do the basics and research the topics you're discussing. Talking from ignorance is not particularly impressive.