Incoming U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon seems to be getting off to a great start. When asked a question during a news conference about Ahmadinejad's statements about the Holocaust and Israel being wiped off the map, Ki-moon said
Denying historical facts especially on such an important subject as the Holocaust is just not acceptable.Let's hope this isn't a one off show of a spine.
Nor is it acceptable to call for the elimination of states or people
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I think you'll find that Kofi Annan had the same policy on these matters
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4384024.stm
I suspect that the disappointment that some people felt in Kofi stemmed from the fact that his role was not to side entirely with any one nation, rather condemn inappropriate comments or actions, regardless of who made them.
This is interesting, because that conference, while being host to many anti-semitic groups, was also host to a section of Orthodox Jews who hold that Israel shouldn't exist - they think it's unscriptural.
Is it unacceptable to call for your own state to be dismantled?
Obviously calling for someone else's state to be pulled down is war-like, but calling for your own isn't necessarily.
Za; I heard those Jews (qty3); who attended described in other articles as "Ultra Orthodox" Jews. Some of these ultra orthodox sects of Judaism hold that the creating of the Israeli state by "men" is uncalled for because they feel the passages in Isaiahs and other places speaking of the Messiah as creating the state. Which they dont see as pure prophesy concerning the world government under the milennial reign of Christ as spoken of by John in The Revelation.
Hope that helps understanding what I think those Jews attending believe.
That's interesting, I can't say I'd heard of this ultra orthodox group.
I suppose while it does seem like the two diametrically opposed group (anti-semites + ultra-orthodox jews) do support a similar basic position.
'that the jewish state is illegitimate'.
The thing that would ultimately separate the two groups is practical implication/application of the seemingly shared theoretical view-point.
ie. that the anti-semites advocate genocide and 'destruction of the state of Israel', whereas, the ultra-orthodox jews are saying that the state lacks legitimacy (and advocate dismantling?), but I suspect that they don't support the slaughter of jews
I'm surprised that the two groups were in the same room. Surely it's only superficial similarity of view points? (If that's wrong, I'd be interested in any further reading on those 'shared views' that anyone can point me to)
Exactly - they're not for widespread genocide, they just want Israel dismantled.
They're not the only group like that. At the core, the Palestinians are much the same; they just want their family homes back. The genocidal ones are only that way because of the things that have been done to them since then - frustration rather than racism; although many groups (such as Hamas) play on that to their own ends.
Za; so you think the Jordyptians(no such thing as a palestinian); don't believe their Qur'an or they are doing Allah the moon gods will when it says to "kill all the jews where ever you find them"? Just want their homes back and stuff? Heh?
Everything would be hunky dory in the world and we all could set down around the campfires and sing love songs if Israel just did not exist?
Man; I hope you are not that naive and clueless.
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