Wednesday, June 20, 2007

Pinko Freedom Haters


Yeah, you hate the war. We get it. How long can these people continue to jump that shark? Please, stop hating freedom and support the war effort.

11 comments:

Za said...

How does making people hate America more, and increasing the chances of America being attacked help "freedom"?

Yearly death rates in Iraq are still higher than when Saddam was in power, their government still captures and tortures them, and they've got less amenities and jobs than they had before we invaded - so it's certainly not Iraqi's freedom that you're talking about.

Indian Chris said...

At least we try to help while others just sit with their thumbs up their asses and ignore the situation. I guess people like you only want to help when it makes you feel good. Like Africa. Sending money to Darfur gives you that warm fuzzy feeling but helping people who are forced to vote for a man or have your family executed in front of you or taken away in the night to never see them again until their body is unearthed in a mass grave doesn't give you that same warm feeling.

RudeBoyMurphy said...

"I guess people like you only want to help when it makes you feel good."
... or maybe it's a matter of only wanting to 'help', when it will help, not harm. For reasons like the ones Za listed above, it's hard to call the invasion of Iraq 'help'.
It's not like these results were unexpected, so refusing to support the invasion was an effort to try and help, and had the invasion been averted, Iraq (and possibly the rest of the world) would be a safer place,
and not requiring rebuilding under a nepotistic contract scheme.

"stop hating freedom and support the war effort".
I exercise the freedom to hate the war
... and later this year I intend to exercise the freedom to vote against the little man that dragged my country into this grubby war.

Indian Chris said...

or maybe it's a matter of only wanting to 'help', when it will help, not harm.

Oh, well, hell. Maybe we shouldn't have tried to help during WWII. I mean, we knew a lot of people would get hurt. Trouncing through Europe to invade Germany wasn't helping. According to your argument at least.

RudeBoyMurphy said...

"Trouncing through Europe to invade Germany wasn't helping. According to your argument at least."
Your assertion relies on comparison between Nazi Germany/WWII, and
Iraq...

WWII is a poor comparison for numerous reasons, such as most nations involved in WWII were 'unwilling participants', whereas Iraq was invaded by 'the coalition of the willing' [the name says it all]. The differences are numerous, but I'm not writing an essay on it.

"I mean, we knew a lot of people would get hurt"
... and you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs.
Iraq, isn't an omelet, it's just breaking eggs for the sake of breaking eggs.

Indian Chris said...

Your argument was that we should only help when no one gets hurt. Were that true then there are a lot of situations which we couldn't help with.

RudeBoyMurphy said...

"Your argument was that we should only help when no one gets hurt".

No, it is not.
I think you've misunderstood what I've said.
It's about 'motivation', not whether anyone will get hurt.

Indian Chris said...

Gee, not sure how I could get this
or maybe it's a matter of only wanting to 'help', when it will help, not harm
so confused.

RudeBoyMurphy said...

If invading Iraq is your idea of 'help', please don't do me any favours!

Indian Chris said...

If sitting back while a madman fills mass grave after mass grave with the bodies of people who dare disagree with him, or their families as a show of power, is fine with you...

RudeBoyMurphy said...

"If sitting back while a madman fills mass grave after mass grave"
...and yet you criticise those who want the killing to stop in Iraq (or better still, not have started)... you seem to be selective about your 'madmen'.
As for 'jumping the shark', using the 'but he was a dangerous dictator' card has got to be the ultimate low.
It's bad enough that world has dictators, who (by act or omission) will cause the death of their own citizens, and occasionally a neighbouring country, but to take the murder to a truly global scale...
'play our game or we will bring 'American democracy' to your country', isn't that the act of the ultimate dictator?
(Even if (by a miracle) America left Iraq tomorrow, and the civil fighting stopped, the dying and disadvantage caused by this intervention isn't going disappear any time in the next generation or two. Remind me... What's America doing in Iraq?)