Tuesday, May 16, 2006

Border Issue Turns Really Violent

It's really escalated now. At a West Asheville, NC Waffle House a group of Whites and Hispanics were arguing about illegals in this country. As the group of Hispanics were leaving one of them pulled out a gun and fired into front window of the Waffle House injuring one man. Told you it was going to start getting bad. And here's a question. If the police find the guy who fired, will he be charged with a hate crime? Because you know if it had been one of the white guys who'd fired, after an argument like this, he would be. Just wondering.
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9 comments:

Za said...

That's an interesting assertion.

If a person being mugged gets shot, the mugger would be up on assault charges, yes? Does that mean if the person being mugged shot the person mugging them that they would automatically be up on the same charges?

See, in this instance, the corkies aren't being threatened with eviction. They're threatening eviction. So while the hispanic may go up on assault charges (or whatever he'll eventually get charged with), it's not because he hates corkies, it's because he feels threatened. Meanwhile, the corkies have no such justification for firing off into the hispanics, were they to do so.

Not saying that the hispanics were being mugged, it was just the first example that popped into my head.

Indian Chris said...

I don't know what it's like in Australia, but here in the States if it had been a white man who shot at a group of Hispanics after an altercation like this there's a good chance that there would be charges of racism and he would be charged with a hate crime. That's how bad it's gotten here. If you even look at a person of color wrong you're labeled a racist.

Za said...

See, in Australia, the majority of (caucasian) people ARE racists, so that problem doesn't exist.

Aborigines (as you know) get the short end of the stick and people don't care as long as they don't hear about it, and everyone else is a Wog or an Asian.

But as I said, it's a matter of who feels threatened in the situation. I doubt the caucasians there felt like they were about to get kicked out, so if they did attack, it WOULD be hate-based.

Indian Chris said...

Who got kicked out?

Za said...

Nobody.

The whole point about hate crimes is that they're based on the motivation. The perpetrator does it, not because they feel threatened, but rather because their "conduct [is] motivated by hatred, bias, or prejudice, based on the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation or gender identity of another individual or group of individuals" (according to US law).

My point is that hispanics generally (or about 2 million of them at any rate), are going to be feeling like they're about to be kicked out of the country (and the rest probably feel like they're being treated like crap because they originally came from Mexico) - so any altercations between themselves and whities will feel threatening. Conversely, I doubt any whities will feel such alteractions to be threatening to their livelihoods, so any attacks coming from the hispanics would just be assault because they're scared, meanwhile any attacks from the whities will be based off their prejudices against hispanics.

Am I making sense, or should I just leave it?

Indian Chris said...

Well, I know what you're saying but you're not making any sense. Never have. What I'm saying is that this country has gotten so bad that if it has been a white person who shot at a group of Hispanics people would demand that he be charged with a hate crime. No matter what.

Za said...

...That's because in the majority of cases it probably would be.

Unless the hispanic was attacking them or attempting to rob their house, I really don't see how you could justify it any other way (unless perhaps, the corkie was just trying to rob him and it got violent?).

Indian Chris said...

Your left-wing lunacy is really rolling on this one. What you're saying is that the Latino that shot the window of the Waffle House is somewhat justified because he MAY fear he's going to be kicked out of the country for some reason but if the rolls were reversed and it was a white guy who shot the window of the Waffle House there's no reason because there's no chance of him being deported? And it's an almost certainty that he shot because he's racist?

I hate to spoil your vision of America, but the majority of white people in this country aren't racist. If I were to hit a black guy it wouldn't be because he's black.

Za said...

No, you're twisting my words now.

I said that for a Hispanic, in that situation, to fire a weapon, is not a hate crime.
For one of the whities to pull out a gun, in that same situation, and attempt to fire at the Hispanics would be.

And it's got nothing to do with black prejudice. This is an entirely different prejudice, created simply because of the current level of media saturation of the anti-immigration issue.

It means that it's far more likely for a Hispanic to be shot by a corkie due to prejudice than it is for a corkie to be shot by a Hispanic due to prejudice.

Hispanics don't want whities to leave the country. The inverse of that statement is currently true, however.