Tuesday, May 2, 2006

The Minutemen

This Was Brought To My Attention By Reader John K.

I support the actual Minutemen in their not wanting terrorist friendly "news" outlet Al-JaQaeda to interview them. But what the hell is up with Minuteman founder Chris Simcox? Initially he was against UBL's news network going down there. Saying
I'll have no part in aiding and abetting the enemy, and will
continue to work to protect our country from terrorists who are clearly
looking at our unsecured borders as the pathway to destroy America
But for some reason Simcox has lost his spine and agreed to their request. But the Minutemen themselves are still against it. Saying they would leave the camp if TNN(Terrorist News Network) shows up.

Good for them. At least they still have their balls. What's next? Is Simcox going to start handing out maps of Arizona to illegals?
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12 comments:

Za said...

I'm sorry - but that's too funny.

"Al Jazeera gives us the most direct news on what Al Qaeda is planning, and what the various militias in the Middle East are doing - they must hate America."

Would you rather they didn't air anything, so that way you'd get no information and Al Qaeda's intentions would be a complete mystery to you?

Opinionnation said...

Al Jazeera is an arm of terrorist organizations around the world.

And the simple fact that they always are given exclusive footage of Osama and other top Al Qaeda proves the connection. How do you think these videos get out? They are taken by an Al Qaeda operative and personally given to Al Jazeera who airs the footage that Intel agencies say use codes to let terrorist know when to strike. As seen recently.

Za, you can't really be that...well maybe you can

Opinionnation said...

Al Jazeera is an arm of terrorist organizations around the world.

And the simple fact that they always are given exclusive footage of Osama and other top Al Qaeda proves the connection. How do you think these videos get out? They are taken by an Al Qaeda operative and personally given to Al Jazeera who airs the footage that Intel agencies say use codes to let terrorist know when to strike. As seen recently.

Za, you can't really be that...well maybe you can

John K said...

Perhaps Simcox is going with the old premise of "keep your friends close but your enemies closer."

Za said...

And the simple fact that they always are given exclusive footage of Osama and other top Al Qaeda proves the connection.
No, actually, it doesn't prove anything. It can just as easily be argued that Al Jazeera gets given the videos simply because it's the biggest network.
Similarly, the assertion that they're "personally delivered" is nothing short of your own personal fantasy. Got any evidence? Oh wait, you don't need it, you're the word of absolute truth.

And if they DO use codes to tell terrorists where to strike, how come there hasn't been a strike for every video? Oh, that's right - because it's paranoid nonsense. You'd have to already know how to read the messages to know that they were there at all.

So only an idiot could state either with absolute certainty.

Indian Chris said...

But Za, you state, with absolute certainty, that Iran isn't seeking nuclear weapons. Does that make you an idiot?

Za said...

No, I state with absolute certainty that there's no evidence that they are - which is the truth.

I highly doubt that they were... but I wouldn't hesitate to say that it's far more likely now that they've been threatened with invasion that they might be aiming towards making one. The thing you fail to take into account is that the harder Iran's been pushed, the more they shut people out. If the US had just shut up, you'd still be able to see everything that's going on.

The other thing I forgot to point out is that Opinion's suggestion that the videos are personally delivered ALSO implies that the CIA's on-the-ground operatives are mentally retarded, because it would make tracing Osama so ridiculously easy that even a small child could do it. But I've yet to see Opinion stop and think about that sort of thing.

Opinionnation said...

Similarly, the assertion that they're "personally delivered" is nothing short of your own personal fantasy. Got any evidence?

I suppose they could be sent by computer but that still means that Al Jazeera is using propaganda directly sent by Al Qaeda operatives...they don’t magically appear. Although, I doubt the videos are sent that way because I’m sure Al Jazeera’s communications are monitored. What happens is that the video is shot then taken by a carrier, who is not dressed in a shirt stating I’m Al Qaeda, to the Al Jazeera studio or is taken to a pre-determined location and dropped off for an employee of Al Jazeera to take.

Anyway, you’re obviously clueless.

Indian Chris said...

Right here Za.
http://tinyurl.com/77kub

Direct from a captured al-Qaeda operational commander. But I'm sure that's not good enough for you.

Za said...

Direct from a captured al-Qaeda operational commander. But I'm sure that's not good enough for you.
No, actually Chris, it was exactly what I expected.

The idea that Al Qaeda "personally" delivers the packages is nonsense, but for the same reason the idea of Al Qaeda sending hidden messages in their videos is nonsense - because Al Qaeda does all communications by word of mouth, but they use couriers who have no idea what they're doing.

However, just to enlighten the obviously small-minded Opinion as to the various options:
Yes, there's electronically. There's also mail (duh). There's also (as you just mentioned) anonymous drop off points. And there's the option which I figured should be most obvious to anyone who's looked into the way modern criminal organisations work, which I'll take from Chris's article:

The system involves each courier hand delivering the tape or the written message to another courier or location without knowing the courier's identity, the origin of the tape or message or its destination. It makes it almost impossible for intelligence agencies to roll up the entire network.

None of them know what they're doing or who for. Your idea that they're "personally delivered" is just downright stupid - they get other people as covers.

So score one for clueless Opinion. It's a rather long and involved and untraceable process.

Opinionnation said...

lol

Za said...

And just to make the point even more clear, I've used this method of networking, although I originally got it from the South American crime lords rather than Al Qaeda.

The people generally have no idea who they're working for - just that they work for some big secret organisation (that's generally enough to get people interested). They also can make use of complete strangers at times (the whole "Kid - want to earn $20?" principle), just to make things different and more difficult to trace. And none of the people who are involved know anyone else's names.

But what it also means is that the end target has absolutely no connections to the beginning organisation - otherwise it screws up the entire point of the untraceable network.

The other thing is that, if we apply it to the Al Jazeera case we're currently discussing, anyone sitting at Al Jazeera's end, trying to trace the package back, will have hell even if it's mailed there. By the continuous moving around through a completely random network chain, they could post it in, and still remain untraceable, simply because the postmark could be from absolutely anywhere.

Oh, and I should point out that I've discussed this kind of criminal networking system with the head of Security21.org, which is an Australian-based international anti crime/terrorism group. It's a fairly common system used by all international organised crime syndicates these days.

So laugh all you will, the idea of a "personally delivered" package is just patent nonsense. In all likelihood, someone in Al Jazeera just has a friend who regularly says "this arrived in the mail, you might be interested" and has no idea who gave it to them.