Saturday, October 28, 2006

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This Story Was Sent To Me By John K

Stupid title, I know, but I couldn't think of a better one. Anyway, the leading Imam in Manchester, England, Arshad Misbahi, has decreed that the killing of gay men is fine and dandy with him. Hell, Sharia law demands it.
'It is part of the central tenets of Islam: that sex outside marriage is forbidden; this is stated in the Koran and the prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) had stated that these punishments were due to such behaviours.'"
Love that Qu'ran.
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22 comments:

Jo said...

My husband is currently in Afghanistan ... he says there is more "man on man" sex that goes on in the Afghan towns then he's ever seen around the world because the muslim religion doesn't allow sex before marriage - with a women. Goes back to my thoughts about the Afghan's drinking at night, he says they do it because at nigh allah can't see them ?!?

John K said...

ZA; See "central tenants of Islam". Thats what I have told you before; you putz. Its also a central tenant of Islam to cut your friggin throat even though you are so outspoken FOR those barbarians. Still holding the line that Islam and Muslims are peaceful people?? Heh..

Za said...

Ironic that LGF came out so much in favour of gays when they regularly host people who make such comments as:
In the U.S., [HIV is] related to ideology.

The ideology that says people have the right to live like pigs, f*ck multiple partners up the rather unsanitary anus in bathhouses and use unclean needles to inject their funny drugs, because it's just a "lifestyle choice", is an example.

AIDS could have been stopped in its tracks in the US and elsewhere once the virus and transmission mode was identified. That was around 1982 or 3.


But hypocrisy has always been an LGF strongpoint.

And I also like the way you ignored what he said the central tenet (not tenants - those are people who rent a house) of Islam is: sex outside of marriage is forbidden. Christianity has the same tenet (or did you forget that?).

Za said...

Oh - my bad. John didn't send you the LGF link he sent me for that article. Oh well, at least he uses slightly less fascist sources for you.

My point about Christianity having the same tenet still stands though.

Za said...

I will quote something off Jihadwatch's main page, which John will avoid like the plague:
"It's a steady, stealthy indoctrination aimed at creating a whole new generation of jihadists. And scandalously, it is unopposed"

It is unopposed not only for the clueless indifference scored in this article. It is unopposed because the vaunted overwhelming majority of moderate Muslims has as yet framed no response to the theological presentations of the jihadists.


So even his source does not hold that the majority of Muslims are violent in this manner.

John K said...

I used "tenants" as a play on words which was obviously lost on you. Because not only is KILLING a basic tenet of Islam; but also because of the way to LIVE in Islam.
Jihadwatch is a good site. I go there often. Thanks for the free advertising!
Premarital sex being a sin is a tenet of Christianity though I doubt anyone leader of any Christian Church has preached that GAYS should be happily killed by the members. Nice try trying to equate the two again but its a no go.

John K said...

BTW: Since when is a blog judged by one or two of its comment posters? Using a new double standard now? LGF is a fantastic resource for people to find the news and opinion that Leftist mainstream media will refuse to highlight. Its the 3rd LARGEST blog on the entire planet in number of hits per day. I suggest EVERYONE place into their Favorites folder and visit everyday to see what the media is keeping from you.

Za said...

I used "tenants" as a play on words which was obviously lost on you.
It was a rather crap one. What - do they rent their religion?

Premarital sex being a sin is a tenet of Christianity though I doubt anyone leader of any Christian Church has preached that GAYS should be happily killed by the members.
Someone needs to actually look then. Westboro Baptist Church:
"SODOMY IS AN ABOMINABLE SIN, WORTHY OF DEATH."

BTW: Since when is a blog judged by one or two of its comment posters?
It's not. It's judged by the owner's reactions to such comments, and how far such comments are let to run rampant.

LGF is a fantastic resource for people to find the news and opinion that Leftist mainstream media will refuse to highlight.
Because half of the "news" is either hyping up issues that happen regardless of religious or racial group, or are just plain false (like that bullcrap with the photo timestamps during the Lebanon invasion?).

Its the 3rd LARGEST blog on the entire planet in number of hits per day.Not that that actually means anything. People read it just as much to see how stupid people can be, as to get "news".

Za said...

Want another example? Johnson calls the UPI the "United Press of Islam" and rails against it for releasing news from Iran and using the acronym PBUH after references to Mohammed.

One problem - UPI is owned by the Moonies.

Also, may I point out that most, if not ALL of LGF's "articles" use information received FROM the so-called "liberal media"?

loboinok said...

john k said...

Premarital sex being a sin is a tenet of Christianity though I doubt anyone leader of any Christian Church has preached that GAYS should be happily killed by the members.

za said...

Someone needs to actually look then. Westboro Baptist Church:
"SODOMY IS AN ABOMINABLE SIN, WORTHY OF DEATH."


john k is referring to legitimate Christians.

You however, seem to think that one who wears a Cross is a Christian, or one who read a Bible once, is a Christian.

You seem to think that a bunch of liberal Democrat loons who call themselves a baptist church are Christians.

I can't fault you much though... who would think there would be any Democrats who oppose homosexuality?

John K said...

If thats the only example he (Za) can find then I think things are just like I say.That Westboro church is not a Baptist church and the only members are Phelps's family members.
I must refer him (Za); to still find any Christian preachers TELLING the church members that killing gays is their moral responsibility; egging them on to actually do so.

Iam waiting.....Tap tap tap..

Jake said...

Man, it's great to see John hasn't changed one little bit.

A small minority of Muslims do something and it's indicative of what all Muslims/Arabs do.

A small minority of Christians do something and "they're not really Christians".

I'm beginning to think John may be a satirist.

Za said...

john k is referring to legitimate Christians.
Look up the phrase "No true Scottsman". It's what you've just done.

You however, seem to think that one who wears a Cross is a Christian, or one who read a Bible once, is a Christian.
No, just anyone claiming to be a Christian is a Christian.

That Westboro church is not a Baptist church and the only members are Phelps's family members.
Not true. Ever emailed them? They have plenty more members than just his family.

Nah Jake. John's an LGF fan, not a satirist. Although they do a good job of making themselves look like idiots.

Za said...

Also, John, I direct you here:
http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp10192006.shtml

It's a web comic, but the author makes an interesting point. I'll quote his comments:
...the "Holy Ghost Stories" storyline upset some people - including my father. I made a promise to my dad long ago to avoid certain topics. Sadly, when I was researching the Hell Houses and learned some did incorporate a 9/11 room (one even centered around an entire terrorist attack)... well, I sort of lost it. Normally my storylines are about exaggeration. In regards to hell houses I found myself trying to understate things and omit some acts that occur that filled me with WAY too much rage.

Hell houses - the fundie Christian answer to haunted houses - saying that homosexuality and other American "depravities" caused the events of 9/11, and that 9/11 was God's judgement on an unworthy people. And it's not just the Phelpses.

It's beyond "Gays should be killed" - Christians have progressed to "God kills people who allow homosexuals".

John K said...

If its has progressed as you claim; then It still is not the same thing; which is my point. No Preachers are calling on their members to actually KILL gays as these Imams are doing.

Za said...

No, they just condone it and blame natural disasters on gays.

And note that your Imam didn't actually ask people to go out and kill, he said that in a "true Islamic state" it would be a legal punishment.

John K said...

No. I disagree again. You keep comparing a canary with a crockadile. And; I have sent YOU several articles of several Imams condoning the killing of gays and other non muslims as the "duty" of good Muslims.

John K said...

More Good News from the religion of pieces.
Muslim insurgents behead 14-year-old Christian boy

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52699

loboinok said...

No, just anyone claiming to be a Christian is a Christian.

Wow, 0-stupid in 3 seconds... congratulations.

You would then consider anyone not passing their enlistment physical and claiming to be a veteran, a veteran?

A 10th grade dropout who read a book about evolution and claims to be a Biologist, a scientist?

The scriptural requirement to be a Christian is clear, simple and unalterable.


Matthew 7:22-23, addresses your type of Christian (among others).

22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'

23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
________________________

They have plenty more members than just his family.

Read up on them. If you're going to use them as examples, at least know what you are talking about.
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/michael_haggerty/expose3.htm

________________________

Also, John, I direct you here:
http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp10192006.shtml


Brilliant za!

Portraying Christians as homophobic bigots, hellbent on homosexual jihad, offering lefty phonys as proof.
then compound it, using an artistic version of Marilyn Manson who treat Christians the same way that you criticize the Phelps clan for treating homosexuals.



"No true Scottsman"(sic) indeed!

Za said...

And; I have sent YOU several articles of several Imams condoning the killing of gays and other non muslims as the "duty" of good Muslims.
No, you've sent me a few articles of Imams talking about what they think a "true Islamic state" would be like. Different.

You would then consider anyone not passing their enlistment physical and claiming to be a veteran, a veteran?
Is "veteran" a religious stance?
Alternatively, does being a "Christian" require training or qualifications?

A 10th grade dropout who read a book about evolution and claims to be a Biologist, a scientist?
Is "biologist" a religious stance?
Alternatively, does being a "Christian" require training or qualifications?

The scriptural requirement to be a Christian is clear, simple and unalterable.
And these Christians justify what they preach with scriptures.

Matthew 7:22-23, addresses your type of Christian (among others).

22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'

23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Says the guy who wants to see 1.4 billion people killed? Says the guy who believes that being a Christian has nothing to do with following the example of Christ?
I think you need to think about whether or not YOU fall into that category before trying to point fingers.

Read up on them. If you're going to use them as examples, at least know what you are talking about.
I've done more than read up on them, I've also spoken with them. The non-familial members tend to be a bit more rational than Phelp's close family (and by "a bit", I mean, you can get an answer to your questions from them, even if it's not necessarily a good one).

Portraying Christians as homophobic bigots, hellbent on homosexual jihad, offering lefty phonys as proof.
then compound it, using an artistic version of Marilyn Manson who treat Christians the same way that you criticize the Phelps clan for treating homosexuals.

Actually, if you read the series he's talking about, the main character who goes through the hell house IS a Christian, who's appalled by the way other Christians are acting, and gets portrayed as quite noble.

Something you often forget is that there are whackjobs in all religious groups.

John K said...

Just as I always thought. Za is an anti-Christian bigot claiming to be a Christian because he has read a little bit of his bible. But he understands nothing because his heart is evil and black and he has not been born again of the spirit of God.(He will not understand that either)
Being a Christian has nothing to do with actually following Christs example..If you were a student of scripture you would know that.
Za; I say this as a human being to another who sees your humiliation.
SHUT up because your making yourself look like a complete and total moron. Drop it and stick to the issue.

loboinok said...

Is "veteran" a religious stance?

that's irrelevant... they all have qualifiers and just merely stating that you are any of them, does not make it so.

And these Christians justify what they preach with scriptures.

If that is true... why then, are you having a problem with it?


Says the guy who wants to see 1.4 billion people killed?

Never said that. Then again, none of us are going to get out of here, alive.

Says the guy who believes that being a Christian has nothing to do with following the example of Christ?

Cherrypicking the Scriptures to find what might support your lifestyle, rather than reading Scripture in context and total, to shape your lifestyle, does not follow Christ's example.

I think you need to think about whether or not YOU fall into that category before trying to point fingers.

That was answered for me,definitively, 25 years ago. (but the work is still in the oven)

Something you often forget is that there are whackjobs in all religious groups.

I don't forget that fact at any time. Each day I hear about Churches that have become social clubs, priests that have let sin rule their lives as well as baptist pastors, Bishops,etc. Mega-Church leaders accused of soliciting gay sex, adultery, etc. So-called churches that commit mass suicide on the word of their "leader".


The Phelps' attempt to justify themselves by using Scripture pertaining to a specific people in a specific time is just sad.

And... john k's advice in his last post is good, sound advice.