Saturday, October 21, 2006

Desecration Of The Qu'ran/Koran Is Now A Crime In New York

This Was Sent To Me By John K

Yet another piece of politically correct bull. You know, I see the burning of the flag as a hate crime. Why is nobody arrested for that? Millions of people find desecration of the Bible a hate crime. Why is nobody arrested for that?

15 comments:

Dennis P. said...

Being a graduate of Pace (many many years ago, when it was Pace College) I recall it being a hotbed of ACCOUNTANTS. This kind of crap did not bother anybody. If a book, ANY BOOK, was found in a toilet, it would be turned in to lost and found, and NOT TURNED IN TO A HATE CRIME. Political Correctness run rampant. (PS-it is stuff like this which makes me decide NOT to donate to the various aappeals from Pace. I give to my old high school alma mater instead)

Za said...

Most Christians don't care about bibles in the same way Muslims care about their Qu'rans. That's the major difference there.

And whether the flag represents the state of the US or the nation of the US (two different things) is a contested concept. So that's the difference there.

Indian Chris said...

So, Za, it sounds like your argument is that because Christians don't go around slaughtering people like savages because they desecrate their holy book, it's okay. Does it really matter if Christians aren't as extreme about their love for the Bible as Muslims are about the Qu'ran? Isn't it just a wrong to destroy it? I don't agree with the desecration of either one. It shows intolerant hatred.

Za said...

No, that's not what I'm saying.

Religiously Muslims hold that the Qu'ran is the final word of God. That means that each Qu'ran printed is holy in and of itself, because it is almost like a piece of God.

The majority of Christians see bibles as a textbook. God's textbook, but a textbook nonetheless. And if it gets a bit damaged, so what?

How they act in response to that valuing is nothing to do with what I'm saying.

A better analogy would be photos.

Say you have an analog photo that's the only thing left of your dead mother. Does that compare to a digital photo that you can print off again if it gets damaged or lost?

That's the kind of value difference I'm talking here.

John K said...

"The majority of Christians see bibles as a textbook. God's textbook, but a textbook nonetheless. And if it gets a bit damaged, so what?"--Za

Wow..now your speaking for more than 2 billion people? That must have taken a long time to poll that many Christians.(I was never called nor any other Christians I speak with often). Doesn't such exhaustive research take away from your studies? Heh...

For your information; No Christian I know(and I know alot of them); considers The Bible a "Textbook".
And any Christian who does consider it a textbook is no Christian but a wolf in sheeps clothing.

Indian Chris said...

You can always print off more Qu'rans as well. Why can't the word of God be just that? The word. Whether it's on paper or not.

If burning the flag, a flag you don't consider a living embodiment of this country, though I do, is a protest against an unjust government, could destroying a Qu'ran not be a protest against radical Muslims?

So, my question to you is should this be treated as a hate crime?

Za said...

For your information; No Christian I know(and I know alot of them); considers The Bible a "Textbook".
Do they care if their bible happens to touch the ground? Do they care about how bent the pages get? Do they care about whether it gets a bit dirty or scuffed?

Hence the comparison to a textbook - it's considered something to learn from and take instruction from, but you can always get a new one.

You can always print off more Qu'rans as well. Why can't the word of God be just that? The word. Whether it's on paper or not.
Because it's a physical embodiment of the words of God, and saying "oh, we can always print off more" demeans that?

If burning the flag, a flag you don't consider a living embodiment of this country, though I do, is a protest against an unjust government, could destroying a Qu'ran not be a protest against radical Muslims?
Easy - the flag represents the actions of the USA. The actions of the USA are not decided by the American people, but rather by the American state. The state does not always do what the majority of Americans want. So burning the flag is not a jab at the American people - it's a direct statement about the actions of the US government.

The Qu'ran represents ALL Muslims, because all Muslims follow the Qu'ran.

So, my question to you is should this be treated as a hate crime?
Many very patriotic individuals burn flags - and they don't do it because they hate America. They do it because they love America, but think the state's damaging the country they love.

Personally I wouldn't burn a flag, I have my own ways of demonstrating the same concept - but due to the varying reasons for burning a flag, I wouldn't say it's a hate crime.

Burning a flag and say... spreading propaganda for destroying the American nation - that would be a hate crime.

Indian Chris said...

Za, thank you for proving John and I right. These people are extremely unstable, dangerous nutjobs who are willing to kill you for looking at them cross-eyed. Anyone who takes a book so serious needs to be watched carefully.

John K said...

I read an article once that mentioned an estimate of nearly 85% of all Muslims have not even read a Qu'ran. Due to massive illiteracy and the fact that according to Imams through out the world claim only Arabic as the books true language.
I guess all the hate speach and killing of everone who are not Muslim does not translate well in other languages.
What ever the issue; Muslims will use any excuse to be violent and justify murder and rioting. Its their way.

Za said...

Za, thank you for proving John and I right. These people are extremely unstable, dangerous nutjobs who are willing to kill you for looking at them cross-eyed. Anyone who takes a book so serious needs to be watched carefully.
I'm sorry, I was pretty certain you considered burning a piece of material was a hate crime.

Hypocrisy much?

Indian Chris said...

I'm not sure I follow.

Za said...

"These people are crazy because they get upset over a book being damaged."

"I'm perfectly rational, I just think that people who burn a piece of coloured material should be arrested!"

Indian Chris said...

That means that each Qu'ran printed is holy in and of itself, because it is almost like a piece of God.

That's kind of how I see the flag. Each flag that is made is like a piece of this country and burning it is an attack on said country. Funny how you can see their violent point of view yet put your shades back on when viewing mine.

John K said...

Its not funny, Chris. He loves Islam and wants it to take over the world gladly giving his throat and his family members throats to be cut in the process so everyone will think he is being "Fair Minded." Liberals never see evil. Except in America and GWB.

Za said...

That's kind of how I see the flag.
So by your own definition, you're insane?

Each flag that is made is like a piece of this country and burning it is an attack on said country.
So the flag represents you, as well as the actions of your nation?
So, while representing you, it also represents (among a HELL of a lot of other things), electricutions, induced hypothermia, attacking prisoners with dogs, mock executions, withholding food, water and medical care, forcing prisoners to participate in sexual acts, and beating prisoners?

Funny how you can see their violent point of view yet put your shades back on when viewing mine.
Funny how you call them insane and yet say that you're just like them.

He loves Islam and wants it to take over the world
I think you may want to read some of the things the US founding fathers wrote:
"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
- Thomas Paine

Perhaps the Constitution's a bit too liberal for you John?